Dr. Gustaf 4 of july one of the greatest holiday known to humanity?

well, in someways true, its not about Brazil you know, its just I know this game will long live just like Total Annihilation did, and so it will be around the whole world, that phrase wont make sense to a lot ot ppl, I know it, now if the direct idea of the first democracy bein linked with the American 4th July then bingo, we have sense, the speech is more historical, but the way it is, its too poor, but thats just cause I want SupCom to be the best possible.

I don't believe 70-80% of the game will be sold in the usa, I doubt it will even be 50%, you really underestemate the european, south american and japanese market

also the usa wasn't the first democracy, athene was the first. also the netherlands and venice were more or less democratic (democratic for their time ofcourse, Im pretty sure the black or native americans didn't really consider the early usa democratic) long before the usa even exist (venice as sovereign republic lasted for about 1000 years, and the netherlands became a republic after they declared themselve independent from spain in 1582)

but Im getting a bit away from my point, lots and lots of people don't associate 4th of july with freedom. also it's a bit strange that it'll be still remembered x thousands of years in the future, that amount of time allows easily an more worldwide fictional event. in the end I think it's a poor choice to use the 4th of july, for a lot of fans it will be something they only know from their history books or some kind of movie. next time gpg should use a little bit more imagination.

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BAHAHAHAHA! Man, where do you come from? Look in any encyclopedia under democracy and I think you'll find that you are sadly mistaken. That being said....America, f*** yeah!

I think the UEF government could be the reminant of the US government. Or perhaps the world sunk into a dark age and all of history was lost...except for the 4th of July!

Actually, the successful revolution in America did inspire other revolutionists around the world, although, a lot of them were in Latin America. France's revolutionaries were also inspired by the US's revolution.

While the USA is not the world's first democracy, it is the modern world's first, the governments of the time being exclusively either dictatorships, or feudal monarchies. It was also the first successful revolution against the monarchies, proving that monarchial rule is mortal.

funny fact is that the usa revolution was heavily inspired on the dutch rebellion against the spanish

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Noooo, you just turned this into an America Vs Europe shouting match. Although the topic was pretty much meant for that. Now this topic will go the same way as the last topic on this subject. But no one blames you, the topic was bound to head in this direction.

it's more a usa vs the rest of the world I fear :/

but this topic is hard to discuss without that. most important thing is just to keep it clean

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You're a little late there Jun. I did lots of compaining about this back in July in the relevent threads.

I hope you're not an American Tanut, because if you are it seems like your history books have been doctored.
The USA is NOT a democracy. It's a Federal Republic. I know this and I'm British (though they don't teach that at school in the UK).
Oh and as already pointed out by Grubnessu, the first Democracy was 2,000 years ago (or so) with the Athenian democracy.

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You know, now that I think about it (again), why would the Cybrans celebrate a revolution that resulted in a country where lots of people (blacks) were slaves?
If anything shouldn't they be celebrating the resolution of the Civil war which was, amoung other things, over slavery?
After all the non-rebelling Cybrans are quite literally slaves to the UEF when.
So I'll stick to my original conclusion - I'm fine with GPG patting their backs with being American and the 4th of July and all that, but it should have been the UEF celebrating -not the cybran- and it should have been a little toned down.

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THe UEF are British I tell you! They're a waning colonial empire attempting to consolidate holdings! I'll bet you're a vampire Briton who can't even see himself in the mirror.

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As opposed to the USA which is presently trying to create itself a nice empire (Afghan, Iraq etc)?

That depends. Does that include WANTING to see myself in the mirror? ;-?

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First off, yes there were democracies before the USA... What I really meant to say what it is the first modern Democracy.

It is not a pure democracy no... I think the technical term is a representitive democratic/republic state... But I'm not going to bother argueing with that point because I know that I'm too damn lazy to back up my points. So I'll give those both to you.

I would be very suprised if the united states accounted for less than 60% of sales.. I could be very wrong about that so I'll give my tip O' the hat, Wag of the finger there and lets see where the sales end up in three years and have that argument later...

I knew that 90% of what is in the constitution comes right out of french revolutionary liturature... for lack of a better phrase.

Yes I am american. Am I hated already or has the world made thier minds up about us (cough *bush* cough) already? Mabye we will have the respect of the world again when we get a president that has an IQ of more than 91... **** more than 100 at least... *I got the source from searching Google and I saw three "91s". I didn't administer any test.

Oh dear, ElectricTurtle just put his foot in it. That or I'm about to.

Excuse me? It strikes me that had Britain maintained control of it's empire, WW1 and WW2 would have been won significantly earlier than they were because the UK would have had that many more resources at it's desposal.
As it was, the USA was late in arriving in BOTH world wars (whether they supported behind the scenes or not is irrelevent) and thus I believe it's feasable to argue that the wars would both have been shorter had Colonial America been in it from the start (and thus proportionally less people would have died).

And the countries it stamps on along the way?
Did I forget to mention near Genocide of the American Indians?
Funny, for a country that touts so many freedoms, historically it's done a very good job of repressing them in others.
Oh and the really, REALLY funny thing is that you're now losing your freedoms to a President/administration who seems to think he's above the Constitution/law. That's why I find it so Ironic that everyone still celebrates 4th of July and yet they do little to nothing about their deminishing freedoms (we're losing ours in the UK too, but at least the gov admit it).

I think that should stir up a hornest nest.

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It wasn't exactly American culture where we got repressing other peoples from... It is in the nature of human beings... Anybody who has the power to has if it benifited them... China, Japan, Korea, vietnam, Usa, Canada, Mexico, Spain, Brazil, Germany, England, France, heck the whole world is guilty. We study history to attempt to not make the same mistakes that we have in the past... we now know better... they didn't. Why are we being blamed for what unlearned ancestors did?

nicely said. you pretty much said what I fealt but at the time I couldnt think of how to say it.

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Yes, but most of the world doesn't go around raving about how "Free" they are and then "liberating" other nations.

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Alright girlfriend, because you had to go there, we'll talk a little bit about the last six years. You do realize you're jumping on the bash-America train over the events within a span of time which compared to vastness of history amount to little more than a heartbeat. So America isn't allowed to have a bad day eh? Let's forget all about the crimes committed by the British in her colonies, let's forget about Neville Chamberlain because after all only American political figures can be foolish.

The UK mismanages resources compared to Americans. They have had control of Canada just as long as they would have had what is now the US, and Canada is larger and has just as much in natural resources as the US, but Canada is still a podunk nation and was even less valuable in the 40s. (I mean absolutely no disrespect to those brave Canadians who fought hard and well in the wars. I say only that objectively the productive capacity of Canada was underutilized as a direct result of British mismanagement compared to the US.)

Late? Those were European conflicts. We had no obligation at all, the only reason we showed up in WWI is the Germans wouldn't leave our ships alone, and we felt sorry for you. If it weren't for the fact that Germans were allies of the Japanese when the latter attacked us, you might never have seen any US involvement in WWII. Regarding that involvement, the US was ALWAYS on point. During the Normandy invasion the US was assigned more difficult landing zones than the British and Candians. During the Allied bombing campaign the US did all the higher casualty rate daylight bombing while the British were given the lower casualty rate night bombing. US troops were frequently put between the enemy and the British as in the original design for the invasion of Sicily (at least until Patton said up yours to SHAEF and left the British to handle themselves while he took the rest of the island).

Who cries for the Helots? The simple fact of the matter is that the US did not treat the Indians any worse than the Spartans treated the Helots, or more relevantly the Spanish treated the aboriginal people south o' the border, or the French treated Africans, or the Dutch treated Polynesians, or on and on. It's a European mindset, and America is country created by Europeans. So you can stop pointing fingers because you're no better.

I'm assuming that you're referring to martial law, which has been used at times in recently occupied nations under US control. I suppose that's a LOT WORSE than, you know, people being dismembered and raped and killed. Man, the US is really bad, maybe sometimes keeping people without trial. That's a lot worse than state-mandated dismemberment, rape, and death. Boooo US.

Yeah, we are. He's a mediocre to bad President/leader. You've never had bad leaders? Uh-huh. STFU.

Yup, we still celebrate it because it's not about current events, it's about an ideal. That ideal is still alive, and there's still hope through the legislative process to fix things.

This thread has gone beyond the boundaries... should have been locked hours ago.

Jeez boris I think you may have givin me another reason to join SupComHQ(if your infact the same madboris that does the news there). lol
the reason I never joined supcom universe was becuase they were always talkin like that there(it always pissed me off) and I figured the same there too.
do you not tollorate that there? cuz if not then oOo. you might have a new member.

if I did just babble to you for no good reason then dont mind me. Im crazy. lmao

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All I know is enough is enough, people got their shots in, lets move on.

It seems like ET got his wish, things are looser around these parts, but it does start to mimic a bar down some dark alley with toothless grandmas looking to date drunken blatherers. And it's hard to tell which is which.

*Reminisces the old days when GPG grenades would have been lobbed in.*

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yeah it has kinda calmed down a bit. Im wondering if the threads are needing more help(like night watch...lmao)
but I wanted to ask you a question. are you guys at HQ goin to have groups(kinda the way planet annihilation and TAuniverse goes?
Just tryin to find a place that does units like that(and not to mention tryin to find a group to do a TA race mod of gettin Arm and Core into the game and up to scale)

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I like to call it "informed discussion".
I can provide links if you like:
-Bush Guantanamo Torture
-American Citizens held indefinately by the US?
-NSA wiretapping US citizens without a warrant
I think that will do for starters. America Bashing? It's not meant to be. I call them facts.
I can just as easily find Britain bashing stuff, but we aren't breaking our own laws to do these things (unfortunately or we could try to stop them).
Oh, and I've spent 6 months living in the USA to date, so I have some idea about the place.

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